EXCELLENT 15-MINUTE DISCUSSION BETWEEN TUCKER CARLSON AND MICHAEL SHELLENBERGER (December 5, 2023)

“It’s sort of a grotesque display of anti-human power, of elitist power, it’s also a religion—these guys actually think of themselves as saving the planet—but it’s also just a grift…What gives me hope is that I think it’s finally becoming obvious to people that it’s a scam, and that the people pushing this really hate civilization—at least they hate civilization for others—they want it only for themselves, and that they’re in the grip of a really dogmatic cult philosophy. I think it’s fair to call it a death cult at this point. ”

–Michael Shellenberger